Jul 14 2008
More On The Obama Birth Certificate Myth
Pam Geller’s forensic expert has come out with an update to address my previous claims. Interestingly enough he has become quite respectful regarding my less than formal analysis of the Obama COLB. More importantly, he once again has confirmed the essence of my original post – that the Opendna image could never be the source for the Kos and Obama Campaign COLB Images AND that there were updates to the HI COLB format between the Decosta 2002 COLB and the Obama 2007 COLB:
AJ is correct on several of his assumptions such as the OpenDNA images came after the KOS image and that there was a change in the COLB certificates between the Decosta and the KOS versions.
I appreciate Techdude coming out and confirming my positions. Folks can reference my posts on this matter here, here, here and here. I have some questions and comments posted at Pam’s site regarding the above update.
Bomza,
I truly think you are afraid to show your evidence. I fail to see how that makes me the childish one.
And yes, I do find that hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
bomza,
There isn’t another birth certificate out there or you would have shared it with us. Grow up yourself.
I believe I said I would wait and see many comments ago Sue. But if there is a trend here, it is in my direction.
And yes, multiple scans (or saves) do effect the image and Techdude has the tools to detect that, but not discern when and where they happened.
I believe I said I would wait and see many comments ago Sue. But if there is a trend here, it is in my direction.
No, your direction is the document isn’t a forgery. Techdude is still saying otherwise.
Thanks Sue! BTW, I have no dog in this hunt, it comes out the way it comes out. If I am wrong it won’t be the first or last time.
Sue,
From above: “Sue,
Agreed. But let’s see what Techdude means by “matchâ€. I am more than willing to go the forgery route if he has the evidence.”
If I am wrong it won’t be the first or last time.
True.
AJ,
He is NOT going your direction. He still says it is a forgery. It doesn’t matter if you agree with his analysis or not. What matters is if we, the jury, agree with your analysis or his. That’s how dueling experts work. Which of you is more believable?
You are right AJ they show up in the Koz image, but they DON’T show up in the Obama website image.
How did Obama accomplish such magic with his copy?
Still you take the State Seal top center of the documents and you compare them to the balance of the document they are on.
Some of them look like the State Seal was made from a kid’s carved potato stamp but the lines on the graphic border are still sharp. The text doesn’t look like something off an etch-a-sketch but still is sharp.
Now if one thing is degraded on the page all other graphic elements will degrade by the same ratio.
The State Seal on some of them looks like an early 60’s copy made by a first generation Xerox machine or something scanned in from a photostat of a document.
Try to reproduce a document with the seal that degraded and the border not looking like it was painted on with a kitchen sponge.
One of the State Seal looks like it could pass for an ink blot test.
“There isn’t another birth certificate out there or you would have shared it with us. Grow up yourself.”
Lol. Well, Sue, I sort of expected this from AJ but not from you. You sound quite cocksure of yourself. I thought you would be more open-minded. And I fail to see the logic in your statement. I won’t share it with you therefore it doesn’t exist? Right. Brilliant logic. I guess Obama’s birth certificate also doesn’t exist then, right?
Thanks for the laugh, indeed.
Like I said, believe what you want. I trust techdude or someone within two weeks will come up with the facts supporting what I have already seen for myself.
Take care
bomza,
Okay, point taken, I don’t know what you have seen and haven’t seen. I took it, wrongly it would seem, there was one on the internet. I went back and re-read what you wrote and you didn’t say that so I apologize for misreading you the first time. But you will excuse me if I don’t just take your word on it?
Look, here’s how it works…..it’s up to those making these claims about forgery to prove it is one. Not the other way around. If you can’t prove it is one, then the document stands for what it says it is.
Period.
The document is what it says it is, until someone can definitively prove it’s not. And in that regard, nothing to date has managed to do that. We don’t have to “prove” you failed in doing that..you already have.
If someone can definitively prove it’s a fraud, etc., then so be it. But, speculation and theories, guesses, “defacto” findings, etc., aren’t going to cut it.
Given the fact that nobody has offered “any” reason to dispute Obama’s citizenship, I fail to see the point in pursuing this anyway.
But, have at it. Just don’t show me something blue and ask me to confirm to you it’s red. Then try and tell me that I have to prove to you that the blue thing in your hand isn’t red.
HAH!
Now you all know what it was like for me trying to have a rational discussion with AJ on this topic on the last thread!
I finally just gave up, and said “You win!
It’s easier that way, trust me!
DC makes some good points, I might have misinterpreted the Israelinsider article, but I WILL be proven correct on this issue, eventually, just as I WAS CORRECT on the Michelle “Whitey” Obama tape that didn’t exist.
And that is: the COLB posted on the Daily Kos, regardless of who is responsible for it, is NOT Barack Obama’s real COLB, at all.
It IS a forgery.
That’s what will be proven.
That doesn’t mean that the information contained therein is wrong, and it doesn’t mean that Obama is not a US Citizen, and was not born in the US; it just means that that particular COLB is a forgery!
That is what will eventually be proven.
But in the meantime, AJ is correct, and I’m wrong; just so he can have his way on this issue.
But I WILl remind you AJ, when I’m shown to be correct.
Exactly my point Dale
In this case fake documents but accurate data.
Merlin,
They show up in the Obama site image as well. It is much lower resolution (because it was saved in web-friendly format) but some twiddling of the knobs and zooming in shows it to there.
AJ
I am talking about the State Seal at the top and center of the document NOT about the cookie cruncher seal which is the embossed seal.
Well then if the Kos Kids supposedly got their copy from the Obama camp how come their folds show up so much more and don’t tell me it’s just resolution or how the light shined on it.
MerlinOS2on 14 Jul 2008 at 5:02 pm
Exactly my point Dale
In this case fake documents but accurate data.
Well Merlin, that’s what I’ve been TRYING to say for the past 3 threads, and 20 posts, but I obvioulsy don’t type English very well, because I’m not getting the message across.
Regardless, since I’m not a technical expert like AJ or that “techdude” fellow; I’m only going in “gut instinct” here.
Bottomline as I see it: I have a 50/50 shot!
Merlin,
Have you been paying attention? Yes, it IS the resolution because the BHO Site image was saved “web friendly” which drops the resolution way down. They BHO campaign sent Kos the original scan, but then saved it lower resolution when they posted it.
It was shown to be the case in the file information and creation dates.
Ugh. Folks, stop thinking with your navels.
Merlin,
I knew which one you were talking about. Answer stays the same.