Jul 14 2008
More On The Obama Birth Certificate Myth
Pam Geller’s forensic expert has come out with an update to address my previous claims. Interestingly enough he has become quite respectful regarding my less than formal analysis of the Obama COLB. More importantly, he once again has confirmed the essence of my original post – that the Opendna image could never be the source for the Kos and Obama Campaign COLB Images AND that there were updates to the HI COLB format between the Decosta 2002 COLB and the Obama 2007 COLB:
AJ is correct on several of his assumptions such as the OpenDNA images came after the KOS image and that there was a change in the COLB certificates between the Decosta and the KOS versions.
I appreciate Techdude coming out and confirming my positions. Folks can reference my posts on this matter here, here, here and here. I have some questions and comments posted at Pam’s site regarding the above update.
I think the whole issue is a little silly.
A quote below, from the latest update from Atlas Shrugs concerning the Obama COLB issue:
“The original KOS COLB is not the one still posted at either of the sites – it is just a lower quality (higher compression) crop of the larger 8 1/2 x 11 image that was removed almost immediately after it was first posted. But to touch on something he did bring up (which was going to be in the final report) the document does appear to have been recreated on top of an existing certificate. It may have been printed, scanned, and touched up or scanned blank and modified which is why I have been saying the background i s the only part of the image that appears to be unmodified (does that make sense? I have been up for 18 hours).
Allow me to quickly add some fuel to the fire before I pass out. Since they did not have access to the other COLBs I will tell you all the information I have gathered from the ones I have plus some other information I have received. The paper pattern has remained the same (I think there are only a few manufacturers of security paper unless they buy some off brand made in China) but the weight of the paper has changed. It is cotton or linen based and is now thicker (a heavier weight). The border appearance has changed between 2003 and today – but it is nothing like the 2007 KOS COLB image. ”
Read the rest yourselves at Atlas Shrugs, and more coming.
Bottomline: as I said, repeatedly:
The COLB (which I called a “BC”), okay, “COLB” is more appropriate; and it turns ou tthe Daily Kos published TWO different versions in a very short time, that I was not aware of; anyway…
The Obama COLB put up at the Daily Kos website….IS…..A……..FORGERY!
AS…….I……..SAID……..ALL…………ALONG!
And that IS the END of the Story!
Dale,
I already predicted the paper changed. I also noted that new graphics programs use a layering scheme and his tell tales would be how the paper copy was printed and have NOTHING to do with the scanned image.
Dude, Techdude has been confirming my assessment, which I made in a matter of minutes, by investing hours on analysis.
When are you going to realize all he has been doing is supporting my points?????
AJ,
I haven’t been over there yet, heading there now, to read his latest, but are you saying he is now claiming the document is not a forgery? Because anything else is not supporting your points. You busted the myth of a forged document. It is my understanding that Techdude is busting your myth of a myth busting. But, anyway, I’ll go read what he says now. It will be interesting if indeed he claims the document is not a forgery. Supporting your points and all.
AJ: okay, my head is spinning now; I have no idea what you said, let alone what I said!
So, just to clarify:
You have said all along, that the Daily Kos “COLB” was NOT a “forgery”, that it was in fact, “Real”?
I said all along, the “COLB” posted on the Daily Kos, WAS a “forgery”, and was not “real”.
I have just read the Latest Atlas Shrugged Posting on this issue, for like the tenth time; and though Techdude said you were correct on some points, the bottomline is: the Daily Kos COLB, BOTH of them, are in fact, Forgeries!
Now, are you saying that you said all along, that the COLB was a “forgery”??
OK, Let me try.
The KOS IMAGE of the KOLB as no indications to date that it is a forged or image. The COLB in the image was discovered to have all the tell tales of an authentic document (seal stamp on back, issue stamp, signature area, etc).
What image manipulation there was detected in the image was explained by the act of scanning the image into a file and possibly covering up the ID number. The other manipulation was to crop the image to remove excess blank space above the COLB border.
What image manipulation there was detected relative to the BHO image was it was a reduced format version of the Kos image (which was sent to Kos by BHO campaign). All this means is the BHO took the image they sent to Kos and saved it in what is known as a ‘web friendly’ version which reduces the resolution by reducing the detail. This is confirmed by details in the files themselves which show creation dates, etc.
The only “real” COLB is the hard copy that would be scanned in so it could be posted on websites.
You have no basis, and no one has yet proved, anything was done to the Kos image (and therefore the derived BHO image) to prove either of them were forged. And in fact, all evidence to date points the other way.
And yes, Techdude as confirmed ALL of my deductions. He is coming out with NEW evidence which could prove a forgery – but I am skeptical of this because his early work was pretty damn shoddy.
For example, he claimed the fact the 2002 and 2007 COLB borders did not match the 2007 was a forgery. He has no retracted that claim and admits, as I pointed out to him, that the 2002 COLB was prior to new versions being produced at HI in response to the Real ID act.
If you go to may last post I deduced that these enhancements included using new security paper which is part cloth. I was able to make this claim based on the fact the seal stamp does not bleed through on the 2007 version like it did on the old 2002 which used straight paper. Techdude confirmed this today.
The pattern has been they make a claim, I debunk it, and they agree and then go to try and find something else – which I debunk.
There is NO evidence the image of the COLB produced by BHO, shown on Kos and another lower resolution version shown on the BHO site, have been forged.
We await the latest claim from Techdude who did a lot of work to address my claims, which I preemptively made so he could avoid making any more mistakes. Because of my post on the Real ID act he has gone back and gathered more COLBs.
Sorry Dale, but while he is pretty good he has been running behind me on this. We shall see if this time he has a smoking gun. But until then only you and people at No Quarter and other technically weak people have been claiming all this has pointed to forgery. Just the opposite.
BTW – your head is spinning because, as you have admitted, you are out of your league here.
Cheers, AJStrata
Sue,
I have a post over there noting where he has confirmed my deductions to date. All of them. He has yet to produce evidence that changes the current information at hand – which is there is no forgery.
He has admitted that so far I have been correct. All his comments are saying is he has NEW evidence not shown to anybody.
We shall see if he succeeds in making his case. So far he has been backpedaling.
AJ,
Why are you so interested in a shoddy analyst confirming your work? If it were me, I’d back away from him as fast as I could. The last thing I’d want to do is get connected in some way, even in confirming what you say, with someone you hold in such low regard. So what if he confirms your points? He is a shoddy analyst. He probably confirms everyone else’s points too.
This is a pleasant sidebar which takes little effort. Indulge me please! And I do not hold him in low regard. We all have varying levels of skill and experiences. He may come up with something – we will just have to wait and see.
Removed: you know what; we’ll just wait and see who is correct, and who is wrong.
Yes Dale, we will.
because as we both know, you “proved” the Michelle “Whitey” Obama tape was real as well; so we know you are an “expert”, whereas I, am out of my depth, and I told you it didn’t exist at all.
So since you were “right” in that regard, it only stands to reason you’ll be “right” about the COLB and I’ll be wrong, of course…
AJ,
I would hate to see what you said about an analyst you did hold in low regard. Anyway, your indulgence is your own. Your blog. Your dime. I just told you what I would do if it were me. And I had a case closed moment 2 weeks ago.
Sue,
Found another document expert who confirms there is no forgery using the same analysis Techdude is using. New post coming soon!
AJStrata
And yes, if I have little respect I get much, much worse.
I never thought there was a forgery, AJ.
Very good Sue!
Hi All,
I think I’ve arrived just in time to stop poor AJ from banging his head against the wall out of sheer frustration because so few posters are listening to reason.
I’ve never been here before and am new to blogs, and I’ve been knocking on the door for days trying to get in here.
G’day AJ, I’m from Australia and I’m here to help!
G’day Ray, glad you could join us – sorry for the registration SNAFU!
Have at them!