Jul 20 2008
The End Of The COLB Cult – Myth Busted Again
Update: Reader Ray from Australia noted this article wherein an official of the state of HI looked at the BHO COLB and said it looked to be real. Â
When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokeswoman Janice Okubo told us.
As shown below, how could anyone miss the unique style of the border? There’s more – there may now exist another COLB with the same border:
We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical).Â
As I said below, just one more COLB formatted like Obama’s and Pam’s expert has egg on his face. Update: I have a question for Techdude and others who have multiple COLBs in their position: Did you ever get one that looks like the BHO COLB with its style of borders?  And if so, why didn’t you publish that information?  You may not, but these witnesses indicate there were two formats in circulation.  Kind of hard to believe you folks never saw one, but it is possible. – end update
Why are there two formats? Either one was a prototype discontinued or HI is just running through the last of their old stock. But the point still stands – to accuse someone of a crime you have to more the claim it is possible. If anyone has a COLB that has the same border pattern as below I would be interested in hearing about it [ajstrata@strata-sphere.com]
Finally, Hat Tip to Allahpundit at Hot Air for the link. Â Hope your sin of support doesn’t cause too many headaches from the cultists.
Update: Well, if someone wants to know why this myth-mess is good for Obama, here’s an example – end update
Well, it seems we finally have the final report, representing the final act of the COLB Cult today. Techdude has produced something that impresses the non-technical groupies of the movement. But does it hold up to the argument there is evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt (my standard for when I confront smears)? No, not really.
One thing to recall is the track record of failed claims from various cultists since this began. Each claim debunked, followed by wilder claims, which were debunked. Here is a recap of the trend:
(1) The image on Kos was a forgery because it was not a BC but a COLB (took people a while to realize HI had moved to issuing COLBs instead of BCs).
(2) The image was a fake because there was no stamped seal – later discovered existing in the image.
(3) The image was a fake because there was not signature seen on the back – later discovered in the image.
(4) The image was a fake because there was no date stamp for when it was issued – which was detected and evident to the casual viewer.
(5) The image was fake because it was photoshopped – later shown to be a cropping of the excess paper area and blacking out of the ID number
(6) The image was fake because it was different from the BHO version – later discovered to be the fact BHO saved the image to a lower resolution, smaller web friendly version.
(7) The image is a fake because it was made from a forgery started by Opendna – that lame claim lived for weeks, but in the end was proven impossible.
(8) The image was a fake because the borders did not match a 2002 COLB – one of my favorites because of this line from the aforementioned Techdude:
But upon manually stretching them to match edge to edge I caught a glimpse of what I and apparently everyone else had simply not noticed. The security borders do not match. Literally. They are not even close to identical.
Here’s the image of the two borders – how could anyone not see that? Subtle – eh? Techdude later admitted THIS claim was wrong – there had been updates between the 2002 and 2007 COLB formats. He also debunked the Opendna claims.
(8) The image was claimed to be a fake as more and more people compared the 2002 COLB to the newer 2007 COLB – all of which proved nothing more than we already knew, Hawaii was updating their vital records and COLBS in response to 9-11 and the Real ID Act of 2005, as can be seen in the variety of COLBs found for the period
(9) The image was a fake because the document format version control number never changed while the format did – which we now know is because the format control number covers the data fields and contents, not the look and feel.
(10) The image is a fake because a date field has a format anomaly in it – but then the exact same anomaly was found in other COLBS from the same time frame.
(11) Anti-aliasing haze around the text was a sign of forgery – when it is actually only a sign of text being printed.
Today Techdude has his report out, so let’s see if he has a smoking gun or wrecked professional credibility.
Sadly, Techdude doesn’t provide an analysis, he produces cherry picked data from one side only. A real analysis compares the evidence that supports the opposite conclusion. From the list above we see tons of reverse examples. Assumptions of what real image would contain, which later proved to exist. All those debunked claims are also evidence that the COLB image is real. It from the totality of the evidence that we decide which side is MORE COMPELLING. A real technical analysis would address all the evidence and discuss why some crazy marginal border measurements outweigh things like the impressed seal (hard to fake), a signature area, etc. All things COMMON to valid COLBs and images of them, but hard to fake out using graphics programs.
And much of what Techdude discovered PROVES points I made way back – which supports the claim the image of the BHO COLB is a scan of a legit COLB. For example, I predicted that as part of the upgrades to the COLB that came on line in 2006, there was a change in the paper which was probably a more secure paper-cloth hybrid. This new paper was thicker and made the seal impression harder to detect from a front scan. Techdude confirmed this again today:
The embossed seals and ink stamps in all of the pre-2006 images are clearly visible in the scans however none of the post-2006 seals or ink stamps are visible without extensive manipulation to the digital images. Even when scanning the physical post-2006 certificate in my possession using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners I was also unable to produce an image which would allow the seal to show though the image. The ink stamps on the rear side were also not visible in the front side scans without digital modifications to the scanned images. My scans of the physical certificate also produced the same results using multiple resolutions and using multiple scanners.
This destroys many forgery claims by Polarik and others who compared the 2002 COLB and BHO 2007 COLBs based on these features. And in fact, the similarity in the results by Techdude on taking modern COLBs and seeing the same telltales in his scans as shown in the Kos image means he proved the Kos image is legit. When you use real world COLBs and perform the same scanning process using a range of variables and you create the same result this is confirmation.
It should have been noted as such in any professional ‘report’. Also, if you want review of your work you need to provide the data. Figure 3 is a low quality image of the ‘smoking gun’. When I tried to down load it and blow it up it was impossible to see. Sorry, but peer reviewing requires the actual data. I will forego any detailed comments until Techdude and Pam decide to provide all the data.
But let’s step back again to the blatantly obvious fact the BHO COLB has unique security borders – not even close to the others. Techdude goes into minute measurements to prove the obvious – the borders are not the same. Why? We know they are not. Not the same color, not the same pattern, not the same dimensions. What Techdude has not proven is that the 2007 BHO COLB is the one and only HI COLB with that pattern! Techdude has two other COLBS (from 2006 and 2008) with telltales IDENTICAL to the BHO COLB. These include version numbers, data fields and contents, border lettering, seal imprints etc. Commonalities that cannot be ignored.
Finally Techdude repeats his horrible mistake from day one – he goes back to comparing apples to oranges. Remember, Techdude has some original COLBs, which he or someone else scanned. They were not scanned by the same person who scanned the BHO COLB. They were not scanned on the same machines using the same settings. Why is this important?
Because the tools Techdude wanted to use to do image analysis are used to detect image manipulation WITHIN an image. These tools and methods look at inconsistencies with in an image to show where the image was manipulated. an image should have consistent sharpness, depth, resolution, etc if it has not been tampered with. Areas where there is known tampering would show up easily (for example where the ID number was blocked out). A real expert in this field did the analysis on the BHO image and concluded they were reasonably untouched (minus the known manipulations).
What did Techdud do? To my shock he took three different images and tried to compare across them!
The 2007, 2008, and the two KOS images were then analyzed by creating a heat map showing where each pixel changes as jpeg quality decreases from 100 to 0. A change was considered relevant once the sum of the changes to the red, green, and blue values exceeded 10%. The heat map created from the 2007 and 2008 images showed the fonts, seal image, and security border are all identical consistent values. To eliminate any subjective presumptions and to increase the number of comparative tests the same analysis was then conducted on the 2006 and prior certificate images which all found the fonts, seal images, and security borders to also be saved with identical consistent values. The same analysis on the KOS images showed the security border having a substantially different RGB quality value than the fonts and the seal image.
It is a rookie mistake with these kinds of tools, to try and make assumptions across uniquely created images of different formatted documents. There is no conclusion that can be drawn when doing this except the documents are different and the process of image capture was not the same. It doesn’t prove anything beyond that (and Techdude knows this). Here are the images:
Original here. Â Clearly there is are differences, but I want to note the blacking out of date fields to show what a ‘forgery’ we show. You can see in all three where the modifications were done – they are impossible to miss. They have sharper edges, they have different colors. Â While all three show different RGB results, all of them are the same thing – efforts to black out personal data. You need to look at changes in the context of the image itself, not across images. Â For example, the fact COLB 2 has bright borders on the black outs and COLB 1 doesn’t is not a sign one of them is forged.Â
The BHO COLB is unique to the set of COLBs so far seen. But we can end this mess in a heartbeat. If anyone has a HI COLB that is of the format and structure of the BHO COLB please share it with us. If you got a COLB around Jun 2007 my guess is you might have the variant we saw with the OBH COLB, which seemed to be around for a while as an experiment or prototype version. Just a scan of of the border is needed – nothing more.
Techdude has given his groupies more false positives to run around and play their games with. Â He also showed, unintentionally, why the BHO COLB image could be real. Â He confirmed the paper upgrade and showed empirically that all the new COLBs, post 2006, shared the same traits regarding the impression of the seal.
Now what are the odds someone who screwed up the borders so badly also caught the paper quality detail? Basically they are – zero! Â No one who did enough investigating to make sure the seal imprint was light due to new, thicker paper would miss the borders. Â What are the odds a person who screwed up the borders so badly was able to know to put the date field anomaly in? Â Zero as well. Thanks Techdude, but as usual you proved my point. Â When you claim such an obvious and glaring disconnect is the work of a forger who was able to get the other mountain of hidden details right – you have debunked yourself.Â
Myth busted – again.
LOL! And he wants applause as he does it. Dale – you and Larry J agree, what else is there to say?
AJ, that’s overstating it a bit! I’ve never asked for any applause, anywhere, ever!
And, I don’t agree with Larry J anywhere!
If you care to remember correctly, you agreed with Larry J on the “Whitey” tape, at least sixteen times!
I disagreed with you, and he, EVERY SINGLE TIME!
If you are refering to this issue with the COLB, you are misstating my position once again.
LCJ says it’s a forgery, because Obama is not an American citizen, he was born in Kenya, or Canada, or some such nonsense.
My point, and my only point, from the very beginning has been very simple:
Obama is a PROVEN US Citizen, born in Hawaii, with a valid US passport, which he has proven to the US Government. And since he also sits on sensitive committes in the US Senate, he has some sort of Security Clearance and has had some sort of FBI Background Check!
That’s irrefutable, in my opinion.
My only contention, is that there is NO WAY a respectable Presidential Campaign, would let a crazy Nutbag Leftwing Blog, like the Daily Kos, have access to, or publish, Obama’s real COLB.
IF the Obama campaign was REALLY worried about the COLB as an issue, they’d have called a newsconference, and handed copies of the COLB over to reporters, and that would be that.
My theory, and quote, it is a “theory” is that the Daily Kos, just wanted to get ahead of the issue, because they are a bunch of nuts, as usual, and one of their Nutbags decided he’d gin up his own, to “prove” the rumors about Obama were not true.
That idiot, McKinnon, has basically admitted that in his interview with the Israelinsider!
That has been, and is, my only point, and only ever will be.
Now, knowing the laws of probability, and “gotcha”; watch Obama’s legitimate BC come out from Kenya, just to PROVE that my comment above is wrong.
But right now, if I was a betting man, I’d say I’m right, Obama is a US Citizen, born in Hawaii, the nonsense about his mother being too young is a red herring.
But, I also stand by my contention that McKinnon ginned up his own COLB because he’s a Daily Kook Nut, and he wanted to “prove” that Obama was born in Hawaii when actually, to anyone with 2cents logic, would walk thru the problem like did, and determine that no such “proof” is needed, if he has a Valid US Passport, and a Security Clearance/Background Check due to his US Senate duties.
So AJ, considering the source of the COLB, the Daily Kook, and McKinnon’s own admitted role in this, I still don’t think its a great leap of logic, to suspect foul play on this particular COLB, with absolutely NO implication that Obama’s citizenship is in question.
I’m hammering the Daily Kook, and McKinnon AJ, NOT Obama’s legitimate right to be US President, nor questioning his birth in Hawaii.
I’ve always said that, I still say that.
AJ, look how another kook, Larry C. Johnson, spun the world up on the “Whitey” tape?
Why is it such a stretch, to believe that another Kook, McKinnon, and the Daily Kooks would do the same?, without there being any question as to Obama’s legitimate birthplace/date etc.?
Why is it I can’t get that message across to you?
Ray: SHUT UP!
No one has lied about you, you’ve been OUTTED!
Here, this is from Atlas everyone, in case you haven’t seen it!
While AJ may take some comfort in the support of a provlaimed expert from Austrailia in his views, he may want to choose his allies more carefully.
It would appear that Mr. Ray Murphy is an infamous troll in the Land Down Under. Ray us a busy man. He is a self professed expert in many fields:
Legal expert
http://phorums.com.au/showthread.php?t=108557
http://phorums.com.au/showthread.php?t=108530
http://forums.travel.com/australia-railway-forum/227717-redfern-burns.html
“Your reputation for being wrong, often, coupled with my unfamiliarity
with Australian law makes asking the good folks in aus.legal to comment
pretty darned reasonable.”
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=71500
Space Aliens and Paranormal
http://alientalk.org/6178-time-top-study.html#post24184
Astrology
http://alt.nntp2http.com/astrology/pro/2008/06/8704d86f927751dbdd52fcd0483e14d3.html
http://alt.nntp2http.com/astrology/pro/2008/06/046366f99e1851eb4538f3fbcc1e6fab.html
http://www.legalspring.com/articles/misc-legal/20040430/0_Edmond-Wollmann-acce.html
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about37273.html
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about38596.html
Computer Expert
http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=176084
Wireless Phones
http://www.wirelessforums.org/aus-comms-mobile/re-pay-destination-43999.html
Genealogy
http://genforum.genealogy.com/melody/messages/11.html
http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=39969
Ray’s expertise as demonstrated in his acumen in technology has earned him the moniker “Raytard”, bestowed by his fellow Aussies:
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about38596.html
Ray’s legal acumen has likewise earned him the nickname “Raytard”
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=6378
While AJ has garnered himself a devote ally in his position, based on Ray’s performance here and the reputation he has earned in the Land of OZ, such an allegience would lead me to question my conclusions.
Ray, NO ONE, has lied about you, in fact, we haven’t abused you enough!
AJ gets a pass, because we know he’s a smart guy, with experience; whether we agree with him or not.
You get no such latitude!
Alright, I guess my comments are getting stuck in the Spam que; because I put three LONG ones up, that haven’t shown.
So I’ll say again, don’t fall for “Ray’s” woe is me, I’m a victim here; he’s been abused, justly so, on the Atlas Shrugs site, and exposed, as I said, as a fraud:
And, again, just for the record, AJ gets a pass “Ray”, because we KNOW he’s smart and has expertise and it’s his Bog, and we know his head and heart are in the right place, some of us just disagree on this issue, and this an argument among brothers.
You slimeball, get no such pass, as this PROVES:
I don’t know AJ from Adam, but based on his post above it certainly appears his ego is impeding any rational anaylsis to the topic. Implying that anyone who buys into the notion that the COLB is possibly a fake is mentally inferior and making other condescending remarks points to a lack of substance in AJ’s position and some perceived weakness in his previous analysis. If he was so certain of his point of view, he could certainly support that in a straightforawrd manner without the hystrionic estrogen laced tirade.
While AJ may take some comfort in the support of a provlaimed expert from Austrailia in his views, he may want to choose his allies more carefully.
It would appear that Mr. Ray Murphy is an infamous troll in the Land Down Under. Ray us a busy man. He is a self professed expert in many fields:
Legal expert
http://phorums.com.au/showthread.php?t=108557
http://phorums.com.au/showthread.php?t=108530
http://forums.travel.com/australia-railway-forum/227717-redfern-burns.html
“Your reputation for being wrong, often, coupled with my unfamiliarity
with Australian law makes asking the good folks in aus.legal to comment
pretty darned reasonable.”
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=71500
Space Aliens and Paranormal
http://alientalk.org/6178-time-top-study.html#post24184
Astrology
http://alt.nntp2http.com/astrology/pro/2008/06/8704d86f927751dbdd52fcd0483e14d3.html
http://alt.nntp2http.com/astrology/pro/2008/06/046366f99e1851eb4538f3fbcc1e6fab.html
http://www.legalspring.com/articles/misc-legal/20040430/0_Edmond-Wollmann-acce.html
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about37273.html
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about38596.html
Computer Expert
http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?p=176084
Wireless Phones
http://www.wirelessforums.org/aus-comms-mobile/re-pay-destination-43999.html
Genealogy
http://genforum.genealogy.com/melody/messages/11.html
http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=39969
Ray’s expertise as demonstrated in his acumen in technology has earned him the moniker “Raytard”, bestowed by his fellow Aussies:
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about38596.html
Ray’s legal acumen has likewise earned him the nickname “Raytard”
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=6378
While AJ has garnered himself a devote ally in his position, based on Ray’s performance here and the reputation he has earned in the Land of OZ, such an allegience would lead me to question my conclusions.
drake.j.harvey wrote:
” But Techdude has produced COLBs from 2006 to 2008 that all have the same border pattern (assuming he is being candid). The 2007 Obama COLB, which would fall smack dab in the middle of that period does not match that consistent border pattern. That’s pretty good evidence that something is at least fishy. […]
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Is it really a sign of something being fishy when the Health Dept spokeswoman and a journalist and others have verified that the Obama COLB looks like other 2007 certificates already?
Also, does it really look fishy when the alleged purpose of the forgery was to pretend that Obama was born in Hawaii instead of somewhere outside the U.S. when Obama knew all along that there is a law saying he was ok if his mother had lived in the U.S. for 12 months (contrary to what we’ve been hearing recently about 5 years residence after the age of 16). See Texasdarlin’s blog for recent posts about it.
If the above is accurate, then the conspiracists have gone and demolished the motive for forgery on their own blog. – which will only make AJStrata even more smug :-))
Ray
Dale, seems we’ve been addressing Ray incorrectly:
“Ray’s expertise as demonstrated in his acumen in technology has earned him the moniker “Raytard”, bestowed by his fellow Aussies:
http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about38596.html
Ray’s legal acumen has likewise earned him the nickname “Raytard”
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=6378”
Seems his real moniker is Raytard, please correct yourself in the future.
Yep, 4 are now stuck in the que, guess its up to you AJ to decide which, if any to let thru then.
Redteam: Yes, I’ve been trying to post that Atlas thread over here, Four times, that completely and thoroughly destroys and CRUSHES “Ray” for the liar and fraud that he is.
And he STILL has the stones to come over there, and whine about being a “victim” of my “lies”!
Unfreakingbelieveable!
Anyways everyone, for more on “Raytard”, go over to this link on Atlas, and look at the top comment!
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive/comments/page/3/#comments
It is really unbelieveable, then come back here, and watch “Ray” whine about being a “victim” of “lies”!
DaleinAtlanta wrote:
Redteam: Yes, I’ve been trying to post that Atlas thread over here, Four times, that completely and thoroughly destroys and CRUSHES “Ray†for the liar and fraud that he is.
And he STILL has the stones to come over there, and whine about being a “victim†of my “liesâ€!
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Hang on, hang on, you’re wandering off-topic a bit here. This is not about my reputation for closing down bad groups and boring the most feral trolls on the net witless. We’re supposed to be discussing busted myths. If you keep this up I’m going to have to marginalize you.
Ray
Is it really a sign of something being fishy when the Health Dept spokeswoman and a journalist and others have verified that the Obama COLB looks like other 2007 certificates already?
Ray, if this is true, then I’m very interested in it. As I’ve tried to make clear from the beginning, I’m not on any side, just looking for the truth. Could you please direct me to an authoritative source where you learned this information? I’m being quite serious.
there is a law saying he was ok if his mother had lived in the U.S. for 12 months (contrary to what we’ve been hearing recently about 5 years residence after the age of 16)
I’m researching that right now. I’ll get back to you about that.
After researching it, you appear to be correct:
8 USC 1409(c), Children Born Out of Wedlock:
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
If I am reading this correctly (and I always welcome corrections), Obama, even if he was born in Kenya, is eligible for the Presidency.
Okay, now I’ve done my part. Please do yours. Please supply authority for your claim that
the Health Dept spokeswoman and a journalist and others have verified that the Obama COLB looks like other 2007 certificates
TECHDUDE’S ERROR NO.1
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Techdude wrote in his “semi final” FINAL report:
After receiving Michelle’s COLB I made several calls were made to various departments in the Hawaiian State Government in an attempt to better understand the process and procedures used to create, print, and distribute copies of the COLB form. While I was brushed off or hung up upon by almost all of the people I contacted I did manage to talk with a computer technician who was familiar with the computers and printers used by the Department of Health and the clerk’s offices. […..]
When asked if a COLB can be printed off center he said it was not possible and any misfeed would simply jam in the printer. This would mean that the KOS image which is off center and would have simply jammed in the printer.
AND
This is our second visual indicator that the KOS image is not authentic as all of the other known COLBs are almost perfectly centered.
[SEE image No.4]
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NOT TRUE. It is not only possible for their laser printer to print
off-centre, I have just received a certificate which is printed well
off-centre in the opposite direction to the KOS image. This of course doesn’t prove that the paper was fed in by the laser printer’s feed system off-centre; it may well have occurred because of the setting on the PC being used.
Ray
drake.j.harvey wrote:
After researching it, you appear to be correct:
8 USC 1409(c), Children Born Out of Wedlock:
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
If I am reading this correctly (and I always welcome corrections), Obama, even if he was born in Kenya, is eligible for the Presidency.
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I’ve been wondering about 2 things in relation to that section:
(1) Did it give citizenship rights to children of unwed mothers AFTER the children of married mothers had already been given that right some time earlier, and
(2) Is that section also conferring “natural born” status or just citizenship?
I’m also wondering why Obama (on the Smears site I think) cited “section 14” of some Act as giving him him a “natural born citizen” status . Would that be routine for everyone, and if not, why would Obama have used it?
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Okay, now I’ve done my part. Please do yours. Please supply authority for your claim that
Ok, here’s the Politifact article which gives 2 witnesses – the journalist’s own words “it’s identical” and the rep for Hawaii Health. One may also deduce that there was a 3rd witness by the mention of the staff member who thought he saw the seal while analysing the KOS document. One would think that if he had the ability to see what looked like a seal, he would have noticed a “rogue border” on the document.
[POLITIFACT]
http://www.tampabay.com/news/article648060.ece
I’ve got more somewhere, but that’s all for another 12 hours.
Ray
Obama’s marriage certificate etc.
In Politifact article
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
DaleinAtlanta LYING AGAIN:
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Dale, get a grip and stop trying to deceive people. On the Atlas site you just told a poster this:
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JimBimbo: Ah, sorry son to embarrass you in front of the entire board, but you just missed the ENTIRE POINT of this three week imbroglio!
The COLB that the Obama campaign, that they published on their website, they say they got off the DAILY KOS site as “proof”!
So, If the Obama campaign had their “own” COLB, why did they have to publish the Daily Kos one, and claim it as their own!
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Now go back and tell him what REALLY happened.
Another witness via FactCheck
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
These links are not meant as publicity for Obama, but as a part of his history to show his connections with Hawaii.
[March 17th 2007 New York Times article]
By Jennifer Steinhauer
“Obama, whose parents met at the University of Hawaii, was born here
on Aug. 4, 1961. […..]
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/17/us/politics/17hawaii.html?_r=1&oref…
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“Barack Obama and His Hawaii Roots”
June 15, 2008
http://www.hawaiitopia.com/?p=16
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We’re supposed to be discussing busted myths. If you keep this up I’m going to have to marginalize you.
Ray
Weasel; you can, and will “marginalize” no one; you’ve been exposed here, and over at Atlas, for the fraud, liar, troll and kook that you are!
End of discussion!
Dale:
Yes, AJ has a blog, it is his blog. If he wants to write it in pig Latin he can.
I just think a lot of this is mute. Are we supposed to believe that both the Hillary Clinton campaign and the RNC overlooked the fact that Obama’s not legally qualified to run due to some hinky something or other with his birth certificate?
I doubt they would have overlooked that.
Are we supposed to believe that both the Hillary Clinton campaign and the RNC overlooked the fact that Obama’s not legally qualified to run due to some hinky something or other with his birth certificate?
I doubt they would have overlooked that.
Terrye: Please read my posts on this, PLEASE!
I’ve said all along, for ME, the issue is NOT that Obama is not qualified!
I’ve said it a dozen times now!
The fact you just came back with this statement, proves my point, on this; you all just don’t read.
Obama IS Qualified; I said it every single time!
My only point, on this whole issue: even the Obama campaign wouldn’t be stupid enough, to let the Leftwing Daily Kook website, be responsible for his own, real, COLB!
They’re not that crazy!
I say, the Daily Kook website’s Obama COLB, has NOTHING to do with Obama’s REAL COLB.
But again, that’s must my “gut”, and my opinion, based upon nothing but my commonsense, and I admittedly have no way to prove it.
We just have to wait and see, if the Obama campaign for real, proves it or disproves it.
This whole argument over technical analysis and what such stuff, won’t prove my point, that I think the Daily Kook website faked THEIR VERIONS of Obama’s COLB; my theory in no way confirms nor denies Obama’s citizenship nor eligibility to run for President.
DaleinAtlanta wrote:
Obama IS Qualified; I said it every single time!
My only point, on this whole issue: even the Obama campaign wouldn’t be stupid enough, to let the Leftwing Daily Kook website, be responsible for his own, real, COLB!
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Obama was on good terms with the KOS site 12 months before they were given his COLB – so it makes sense that they would get it.
Obama needs bloggers to help keep liars like you in check.
Ray